Celebrating Kingdom of Ash’s Release by Sarcastically Responding to All the SJMess Stans that Attacked Me Last Week!

Today, the last book of my FAVORITE series by my FAVORITE author released!

It’s called Kingdom of Ash from the Throne of Glass series by Sarah J Mess Maas, and I am so excited that it’s finally out and I can FINALLY read it!! I’ve just been anticipating it for so long, and I’ve been screaming about it with all the WONDERFUL people in the fandom…

(In case you couldn’t tell, that was complete sarcasm, emphasis on the “wonderful people in the fandom”.)

Hi! Last week I was attacked by SJM stans on Instagram, and today, I’m sarcastically answering all the hate comments and making fun of how absolutely ridiculous they sound!! Because I have nothing better to do with my life and I’m also a Scorpio and Slytherin and my soul will not be at rest until I do this!!!

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THE STORY

Basically, I posted a photo on Instagram of books written by Asian authors with Asian rep, and the caption was a rant of why and how Charlie Bowater’s recent art of Manon as East Asian was hurtful to me. Four days after I posted it, one stan commented, and then they all just FLOODED INTO MY COMMENTS.

Long story short: I decided that instead of engaging (as much), I would write this post and respond to comments here!

And before people JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS (though they still did with a disclaimer), I do not care if you like this series or not!!! That may be hard to tell with my sarcasm, but genuinely, from the bottom of my heart, enjoy the books you enjoy reading. All I ask is that you recognize (or at least just… consider??) that there IS some problematic content in SJM’s books.

Anyways, here we go! Here are the comments that I got from DEEPLY OFFENDED SJMess stans! I tried not to feature all the comments but all of them are outrageous and deserved to be called out so… oh well.

Content warning: The comments are just really gross in general. Even I have a hard time rereading them, and I’ve read them a lot of times before.

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THE COMMENTS

I didn’t cover usernames because it’s a public post on my account you can easily find and look up the usernames, and I like to think that people would want to avoid these users. If the users see this post and would like their names covered, I’ll do it, but I mean… your fault for attacking me!!

Ah, the comment that started it all! I actually responded to this one:

Then they replied saying that they weren’t white, as if that excuses ANYTHING. If they’re a POC, they should ESPECIALLY understand where I’m coming from, respect that I was hurt, and not ask me to pretend I wasn’t.

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I mean… my caption did not “concern you speciafically” or “personally hurt you”. And yet, here you are, dropping your unnecessary, completely-out-of-place opinion into my comments section.

berry 2 1) You think I’d rather a character be white than Asian?? The PHOTO that this is a caption to is promoting NINE BOOKS by Asian authors about Asian characters. If Manon had been canonically, explicitly, CLEARLY Asian in the beginning of the series, I would love that. But. she. wasn’t.

berry 2 2) “Calm down, girl” is patronizing and marginalized people are told constantly to calm down over issues that matter to them. Not to mention that you misgendered me.

berry 2 3) And funniest of all, this person @s SJMess like three times and it’s HILARIOUS. “SJM, my favorite favorite author, please see this and give me a gold star for standing up for you!! You’re the best person EVER!!! I love you SO SO MUCH!!!!”

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This person says, “I understand that you’re hurt.” Two sentences later, they say, “It can’t be wrong to draw her as Asian nor is it offensive in any[ ]way.”

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My dude, you realize you just… completely contradicted yourself, right? You clearly DON’T understand that I’m hurt if you think the art can’t be offensive in any way, so stop pretending you do.

And also… I didn’t know that people’s perspectives changing over time can completely change a person’s race?? I mean wow what if I have a white friend who I’ve known for five years but then—oh! All of a sudden my perspectives of them have changed!!! I see them as an Asian person now!!! And they completely switch races because I changed my perspectives of them!!!! Oh my god!!!!!

And people do realize that the idea of WANTING to do something and being ABLE to do something doesn’t mean it’s right, right? I mean, I could want to slap some random person in public and be completely able to and that would totally be an okay thing to do, right!!!

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All the things wrong in these comments:

  • “last time I checked Asian people did not behave in any different way than anyone else”: Oh I mean for most white people, New Year’s is celebrated on January 1st, but for Thai people, it’s celebrated on April 13, but like… same day right????
  • “I will never get how that could ever be hurtful, but I respect the fact that you are even if I don’t understand it in any way”: A translation of this would be “I don’t get how you’re hurt, but I respect it, but I still don’t understand because it’s ridiculous”
  • “but there is no Asian in TOG so that wouldn’t change anything”: You literally said the word “Asian” SEVEN. TIMES. in your previous comment. The whole fandom is screaming “OMG ASIAN MANON I LOVE IT SO MUCH”. The first comment you wrote to me was telling me to be happy about this rep, which couldn’t have even been rep if it wasn’t representing ASIANS
  • “you can be hurt if you want”: Yes, you’re completely right. I’m choosing to be hurt. I mean like if someone says something to me that’s racist, I can just CHOOSE to be hurt or not, wow, really got me there

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(Yes, this person’s back again. I had to use my friend Ju’s screenshots because I ended up blocking them, and then unblocking, and then I couldn’t see their comments.)

This comment seriously made me laugh for honestly half a minute. Like, the lengths this person is reaching? Oh god.

Let me just dissect this carefully because this person was the rudest to me out of all the people who commented:

berry 2 1) “What the hell does it have to do with you?” can LITERALLY be said to you too. If, by your logic, the art “having nothing to do with” me (when in fact it is a portrayal of a marginalized identity of mine) means I can’t criticize it, then my caption “having nothing to do with” you means you can’t criticize it either.

berry 2 2) “If no then keep your opinion to yourself”: Oh yeah, I definitely am not allowed to make my own Instagram post about my opinion, but you’re allowed to come onto my post and tell me that you have the opinion that I should keep my opinion to myself, I forgot that that’s how this worked!!

berry 2 3) “I need to encourage you to understand that we love Manon’s character”: THIS WAS THE PART THAT MADE ME LAUGH SO MUCH. Like, oh my god. Did I SAY you couldn’t love her? I don’t care about your opinion of her, I’m literally talking about the artistic portrayal of her!! Stop looking for reasons to fight me!!!

berry 2 4) “she is a character I love and no one should have the right to diss her for being whoever she wants to be”: The best part about this is the “whoever she wants to be” part… regarding being white and Asian. Oh yes, whenever I don’t want to be Asian anymore I just put it all into a bag and pull out the bag labeled “white” from my closet, and put that on!! And sometimes I want to be white SO MUCH that I don’t even need to pull out the bags, I just close my eyes and wish for it so hard that I just magically become white!!! And this is a completely natural occurrence: sometimes I’m just waiting in line for my coffee and someone randomly changes races and no one is shocked at all because NORMAL!!!!

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in case you didn’t get the reference, the “put it in a bag” thing is from a MacDoesIt video, aka the only youtuber I stan

(Also wow I didn’t know that it was the FICTIONAL CHARACTERS who decided what race they “wanted” to be… in an art piece… made by an artist…)

berry 2 5) [the whole section of praise towards SJM and Charlie in an obvious attempt to somehow gain a gold star from them]: This also made me laugh hysterically. I mean, “you have no RIGHT absolutely no right”????? I can’t believe I actually manage to so deeply offend a SJMess stan by stating how something was personally hurtful to me uwu

berry 2 6) “So long, haters”: Yes. I wrote my own post about my opinion that didn’t require your input at all. And you just randomly came onto it and decided to drop hurtful comments. But yes, I am the hater.

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In the wise words of my friend Mel:

Also I can’t believe this user literally said “you know pale can mean Asian rep right” and then completely turned around and said “also Asia doesn’t exist in the TOG world so there can’t be any Asian rep”. I’m just… uh… great job. Really. Great job.

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And here we go. The rudest, most disrespectful person in my comments.

(This is just the first in the chain of comments they left me.)

berry 2 1) “do you have any right to judge her characters or her drawings? Hell no.”: My dude my guy we have been over this SEVERAL TIMES: art !! is !! free !! to !! judge !! when !! you !! put !! it !! out !! in !! the !! world !! If this is your logic, then who’s to say you have any right to judge whether or not I should be hurt? Because I promise you, you questioning my feelings of hurt is more harmful than me “judging her characters or her drawings”.

berry 2 2) “everyone has the choice to imagine characters, to understand characters the way they want to”: I mean… since we’re talking about race and art… if a character in a book was explicitly described and confirmed as Asian… but then oh no! You imagine them as white! So you draw art of them as white! Aka whitewashing! Which is not okay! Again: the ability to do something ≠ it’s right and/or NOT HURTFUL!!!

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berry 2 3) “what you’re saying is not simply hurting someone, it’s hurting the stories they’ve written […]”: M Y  D U D E. What makes SJMess has seen this post??? I have like 400 Instagram followers. Surely this godly person you admire so much has better things to do than read captions from people like me. (Also how is this an excuse for ANYTHING. “Omg calling out that homophobic family has RUINED THEIR LIVES!! How DARE you stay silent about the pain those people have caused you!!! Now look at the pain you’re causing THEM!!!!”)

berry 2 4) “ruining the book and my characters”: If I had been sipping water, I would have spIT IT OUT OH SO NOW THE CHARACTERS ARE YOURS??? NOT SJM’S?????? This is EXACTLY what I’m saying with the level of entitlement and thinking that your opinion about your favorite series is above everyone else’s.

berry 2 5) “believe it or not, Manon being drawn Asian is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS”: Well, uh, believe it or not, _.kaira2145_., me being hurt by this portrayal of Manon is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS either but I guess you feel like your hero mentality puts you above that doesn’t it!!!

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berry 2 6) “you yourselves are the only people overthinking things”: You did NOT just say that a POC is overthinking something that hurt them. You did NOT just utter words that have been said to POC for decades to diminish their pain.

berry 2 7) “GET OVER IT”: Hmm, sounds like another phrase said to POC to invalidate their feelings for decades! And it’s also hypocritical of you to say this, when you’ve literally COME BACK TO THIS POST and checked the comments section, looking for something/one to fight, and wrote hurtful lengthy comments.

berry 2 8) “Put yourself in her position and try to UNDERSTAND because ranting about how this hurt YOU but not HER is completely and utterly wrong”: This… just makes me want to crawl into a hole and slowly rot to death. Because as a human being interacting with other human beings, you should… not have this kind of mentality. (And by “this kind of mentality”, I mean, “don’t speak out about how you’re hurt by someone if it hurts them”. Aka victim-blaming.)

And wow, telling me to try to sympathize with someone who has obviously hurt me? Just go ahead and tell a POC to sympathize with racists, I’m sure that’ll blow over well.

berry 2 9) “when she obviously did not mean it that way”: Just a quick question… we all understand that someone not intending to hurt people doesn’t cancel out the harm done, right?

berry 2 10) “You forget that sometimes even the most famous people ARE ONLY HUMAN”: And you, my friend, have seem to forgotten that I, who you seem to hate so much for speaking out about something hurtful to me, am human too.

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The saddest thing about all of this is? All of them are literally defending a fictional series and two people who don’t even know who they are, while I’m defending my own FEELINGS OF HURT. I’m defending MYSELF, because they comment and try to prove that the hurt I feel in regards to my marginalized identity is in fact invalid. The imbalance here is just… incredible.

PSA: You do not have to understand my view! But please, when “expressing your opinion”, ensure that it’s not an explanation that tries to undermine the validity of my feelings! If you say “I understand you’re hurt, and I respect that, but [thoughts on why it’s not hurtful to you]”, you’re explaining to me why you don’t think it’s hurtful, when I obviously think it IS! I don’t need that, and it is not your place to try and convince me that something isn’t hurtful to me as a POC when it is to me!

Anyways. I’m done with this. Like I said, if you love this series and are unironically celebrating Kingdom of Ash’s release, I’m happy for you, and you do you. Just recognize problems where they exist, PLEASE.

And my final note, since I can’t NOT talk about Asian books: Next week, on Tuesday, November 6, three books by Asian authors about Asian characters are releasing, two of which were originally supposed to release today but got pushed back because of Kingdom of Ash. So please, if you can, consider supporting these books as well! (They are: Girls of Paper and FireKingdom of the Blazing Phoenix, and Empress of All Seasons!)


shall we chat

sorry for the length of this post! (I got more ranty the more I wrote) have you been attacked by stans before? do you like the TOG series? (again, no judgement!) also, do you have an instagram?? drop your @ in the comments!

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53 thoughts on “Celebrating Kingdom of Ash’s Release by Sarcastically Responding to All the SJMess Stans that Attacked Me Last Week!

  1. God, I’m still so sorry about this entire thing! (I did relaugh at my own words, haha!) But seriously, you didn’t deserve this, no one does, but especially not you. I’m sending you love and light, always. And I’m happy we are able to laugh at their ignorance, because you know they aren’t going to learn any empathy or understanding. I love you. Happy reading, sweetheart! 💕xx

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  2. AH, I want to go burn down some instagram accounts….seriously, this is so outrageous! When people say they’re hurting the right response is NOT, hmmmmm,,,, let me tell you how invalid your feelings are! Also, tagging the author so they can see the negative feedback too! aka, I’M A LOSER WITH NOTHING BETTER TO DO.

    But seriously, I’m so, so sorry you had to deal with all of this. Your feelings matter and are 100000000000%%%% completely valid.
    Love you so much, May! Your sarcasm is on point 🙌🏻💯😍🎉💕🦋

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    1. I know! They don’t deserve any of your energy though ❤ And lmaooooo tagging the author made me LAUGH so much like omg my dude you're trying WAY too hard.

      But thank you so much, I love you too! It means a lot to me ❤ And YESSS I'm glad my sarcasm was good 😎

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  3. Oh wow. I’m so sorry this happened to you! It’s just disgusting. Not to mention all of their arguments are utterly ridiculous. And just wowww. Do they really have nothing better to do with their time than argue with you over whether or not something was hurtful and racist?

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  4. *snorts* wow I’m sorry but this post was really entertaining 😂 what a creative way to celebrate a release 🙄 I find it kinda sad that people are so wrapped up in fandoms that they start fighting with strangers and making enemies over fictional characters *sigh* I mean, if you love them (the characters), it’s tempting, but fiction shouldn’t really be worth that.

    Anyway. I’m gonna be looking up those books with Asian rep that you mentioned!!

    sunshine, lisa.

    ps I’m @inkwellisa on instagram

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    1. Aww, I’m so glad you were entertained by the post! I loved writing it so much (even though I got slightly frustrated again haha). Exactly! I mean some representation of characters needs to be called out imo, like whitewashing, but they’re very blind to the fact that a series can have problems and they can still love it, and it sucks 😦

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  5. I’m just. Reading this made me angrier and angrier as I got through every comment you received. I am so, so sorry this happened to you and I can’t believe the guts and the things some people are just saying, just, why :/ Thank you though for sharing this – it makes me so tired and so sad to see this kind of thing happening, thank you for taking the time to answer to each comment and to just, speak out about this. I hope that people will learn to do better and just.stop.being.so.terrible.and.hurtful. ugh.
    Sending you love xxxx

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    1. MARIEEEE I LOVE YOU!!! I’m really truly okay now, but thank you anyways, your words always mean the world to me 💗💖 And I’m glad I could do a tiny part and speak out about it! I truly don’t mean to paint the fans as bad or anything, but some of them just need to be called out 🙄 THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

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  6. This was a fantastic post and I hope it was cathartic for you in some way. I’m sorry you have received such vitriol and so much interrogation on your opinion and your feelings. This is all about privilege when it comes down to it – if it’s not a problem for them then it is not a problem. Don’t worry. we’re here with you. You don’t get brownie points for remembering in hindsight that non-white people exist.

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    1. Aww, thank you! It definitely was cathartic 💗 (and very entertaining to write 😂). And yessss, that is a WONDERFUL way to put it — they really did not view it as a problem and got offended when other people, who it actually affected, saw it as a problem, and is truly a place of privilege and ignorance. Thank you so so much ❤

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  7. May, I love this post so much – and this is not only funny, sassy and fantastic, but as a fellow Asian, the comments some people would write are so hurtful and harmful and really just upsets me. Also, honestly? Some people are just so rude that it blows my mind. You are a wonderful person whose voice is much needed in the community, and you don’t deserve any of the hate. On a lighter note, SJ Mess is brilliant (I DNFed Heir of Fire and I honestly don’t understand the hype but to each one their own, I suppose.

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    1. Aw, TAASIA, THANK YOU SO MUCH! (I loved the post that you wrote on it as well!) I’m so glad that you found it funny lmao! And yesss, like honestly there is no reason to be rude — I feel like even if I disagreed with them on something simple, they would still find a way to tell me I’m wrong in a really derogatory way :/

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  8. Gosh, there’s a reason I haven’t read any SJM yet and don’t really feel like doing so in future. I am afraid I might not like it and when I voice my criticism, this might happen because I have seen it happen so many times now. It makes me sad because this sort of thing kinda made me biased about the author and her books before reading a single one of them. Ugh.

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    1. I FEEL YOU. Was not planning on reading SJMess before, and DEFINITELY will not after this mess. (Unless it’s like… a hate/roast read 😂) And oh god, I definitely feel that. There are some super intense fandoms that I haven’t really gotten into contact with before this, and it makes me sad that it can paint an author in a bad light (not necessarily Maas in this case, haha, since I’ve got my own opinions of her aside from the fandom)

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  9. I only read about half of these comments before since I found out about all of the crap comments you were getting and oh boy I missed the worst of them. “she is a character I love and no one should have the right to diss her for being whoever she wants to be” is the WORST oh my god – this is the entire problem! it’s like someone saying “eh i’m bored of being white, can i just be… like… hispanic for one day?” like it’s a choice and something you can just CHANGE??? like??? and it doesn’t just apply to white characters. if a character was written as asian in a book that takes place IN ASIA but the character is white in the movie (i’m talking about death note and ghost in the shell btw) it doesn’t make any sense because a) they grew up with asian surroundings as… asians. it helped make them who they ARE, you tear away a large side to themselves when you decide to change them to white just so that the movie will be more “appealing” or whatever crap excuse filmmakers have b) oftentimes these stories have asian mythology and culture integrated that influences the world, writing, characters, etc. anyways, i hope i’m making sense. oftentimes when i rant i end up making zero sense. at least we got this great post from you out of this.

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  10. I’m glad you decided to share this May, it can’t have been easy getting all those comments after trying to express your feelings (I do enjoy the ToG series, but yeah I’m very aware there are some problematic aspects to the books :/) so I hope you’re doing OK. ❤ I feel like with big-name authors like SJM you always get fans (stans?) like these, who seem to care more about the books and the authors than about other readers and other people in general. It sucks, and it sucks that you were targeted like this as well.
    Also in terms of the photo of the Asian rep books you posted I loved Darius the Great is Not Okay, and I want to read The Astonishing Colour of After soon, I've seen some incredible reviews for it so far. Also I have an ARC of Empress of All Seasons and I can't wait to get around to it.
    Great post, and again I'm glad you decided to share this. 🙂 ❤

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  11. Hey, May. So sorry this all blew up on you like this. I think some of it is misunderstanding and the difficulty of conveying tone through text, but some comments were definitely hateful and there’s no excuse for that. It’s never right to invalidate someone’s feelings.

    I do have a question, though. One comment in particular mentioned that in TOG there is no Asia, so you can’t just say a character is Asian. (I don’t think they meant there couldn’t be Asian rep; I think they just meant that you can’t refer to the continent because that wouldn’t make sense in story.) I think this is a hurdle that a lot of fantasy/sci-fi come across. In those situations, how would you recommend still including diverse characters in a genuine and non-offensive way? Are there any good examples that you know of?

    Also: If you’re done talking about this and don’t want to reply, I completely understand. Know that I love you and support you either way ❤❤

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    1. Yeah like honestly a lot of fandoms are getting super intense now but… to this level? Really? And oh god the hypocrisy of telling me to be quiet because of x and y when x and y applied to them too is just… astonishing 🙄 Thank you!! ❤

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  12. Um, I didn’t like the first book at all because of my thought it was stupid but I try not to tell people that people the fans are crazy. I’m sorry they hurt you, you are valid and I think this is important. I may try to read them again in the future and if I end up loving them great! If not, that’s still great. I really hope that some of the people who commented can at least figure out that their favorite authors can have issues with their books and you can still love it and support it while simultaneously agreeing that people can be hurt and have different valid views. (I’m @booksontuesday keep up your account! It’s beautiful ).

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  13. Okay, so, there were so many places in this post where I wanted to just leave a comment but since I didn’t collate all my thoughts from the way through I’m just gonna try and sum it up?

    First things first, the important part of this comment: I am hopefully getting a copy of Girls of Paper and Fire soon which I’m suuuper excited about! (asian!! representation!! is!! important!! @may’s haters) And yes I unironically like this series, a lot, but I 100% respect your opinion and your view here is so correct! I’m not trying to say TOG is perfect or anything, the fact that all the characters are white means it has a flawed premises, but that aside I am a fan of the story. But these people are a disgrace to the fandom, NO ONE has the right to go and comment on someone else’s post and undermine their opinion!! And also my being a fan of the series in no way means I have to disagree with you, in fact I agree completely. Not all asians are pale, in fact a large percentage aren’t, especially from countries where there is typically more sun. I seem a bit stuck for words right now so I’ll stop now but thank you for this post, I really enjoyed reading it as a discussion of people’s incorrect thoughts even if the mood was sombre. I’m so sorry people would actually comment this stuff though, it’s crazy how far people will go to prove their opinion is the correct one…

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  14. I saw this whole thing going on but didn’t feel I could join in being white like I am and I couldn’t get my thoughts together to do so but thank you for this post, it’s really sorted everything out for me and now I will be able to join in these sorts of conversations on other posts. All these books sound so good and I’ll definitely be reading them soon. xo

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  15. Ughhh these comments are so gross…. Sigh. I don’t even like it dislike SJM. It’s her blindly devotional stans that concern me. AND I read the whole ToG series, but her stans are why I can’t truly enjoy the series, not the author. And ToG inspired me!

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    1. Her stans are SO off-putting! Like some of the comments/messages I’ve gotten regarding to this whole mess is that people are afraid of reading the series because they’re not sure if they’ll like it and honestly, that sucks. I personally don’t ever want to read her books, but for people that do and choose not to because of how fans treat the readers who don’t like the series? Yikes

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  16. wow May i’m so sorry you had this happen to you!! I honestly didn’t understand why everyone said SJM fans were the worst until i read this post/saw your instagram and now i’m super glad that i decided to never read one of her books!! i love you so much and wish everyone could just be better humans ❤

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  17. I have a love-hate relationship with this series. The “hate” part mostly comes from all the problematic elements it contains (forced diversity, abusive love interests, all that good stuff). I’m glad that you were able to dismiss the puny arguments of these obnoxious birdbrains and handle the situation in an admirable way. It takes a lot of bravery to stand up to a fandom consisting of thousands of people!! KEEP IT UP!!

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  18. I’m completely dreading to start reading KoA after this. It is SO problematic and at times the endings feel a little too convenient. Is reading SJM worth it even after all this BS she pulls? Also, Charlie Bowater clearly drew Manon as a regular white character before this whole ‘I picture her as an Eastern Asian’ spiel. I don’t get it.

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  19. Oh my goodness, May, I am SO sorry this happened to you. Even if people don’t agree with you, what do they think gives them the right to tell you why your views are wrong and why you shouldn’t feel hurt?! PEOPLE CAN JUST BE SO GROSS.

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  20. This was a most excellent rant! And I’m glad you said it all…although I guess the people who needed to read it never will…bleh. I hate to say it but: I’m not even surprised at most of these? It’s ridiculous how wilfully obtuse people are sometimes. But the whole “omg your opinion is wrong!! why should you have an opinion!! listen to mine!!” gets me EVERY TIME. How are people…like…that. 🤨 It’s the most hypocritical thing to tell people they can’t have an opinion while expressing one?!

    Anyway, I hope you had some chocolate after dealing with this mess (or delicious snack of choice) and SJM fans need to…not.

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